Parenting Grown Children: What Dr. Spock Forgot to Tell Us

Moving Home: The Boomerang kids return to the nest

This isn't the first time I've posted links to newspaper, magazine or blog items on how to handle a return to the nest. But it is the first time I've seen the topic covered at length by no less a media than the New York Times. In true Times tradition, "When Fledglings Return to the Nest" covers the basics thoroughly. Here are some highlights:

 Should you take them in:"Given your own economic circumstances, you may not be able to afford another mouth to feed. But if forcing children to live on their own may lead to a bigger bailout later, it may not be economically smart. Besides, having kids at home again may help you save money."

Should they pay rent? The issue "isn’t so much whether you charge. It’s why the child has moved home in the first place." The anecdotes in the article suggest that if the children aren't slackers--are just in a tough financial spot right now--you might want to forgo rent or charge a token fee, one that rises with time until it's close to market rate. One parent put it this way: “I’m aware of the circumstances where within the family there’s the proverbial 35-year-old living at home How does it get to the point where the child didn’t decide to move on? The bond between child and parent is so strong, it was easier for us in the abstract to say that this was the program.”

If they pay rent, should you refund it when they move on? While some parents see the rent as a real contribution to the household, others "consider it a reward for good financial behavior, or a leg up on a future down payment."

Should you give them financial advice? Tread carefully here. Use other sources--books, articles--as a referral on the topic. One parent suggests this mantra:  “When you have adult children, you cannot tell them what to do. You can only tell them what you’ll pay for. And if they don’t need you to pay for it, then you can only hope that they ask for your advice and take it.”

What if the stay is prolonged as a way for the child to save money for the future? "It may work best if the child works 80-hour weeks or travels constantly. It may help if the parents are gone most weekends, or if the child crashes at the home of a paramour frequently. It helps, too, to have no siblings underfoot and a bathroom (and better yet, an entrance) of one’s own. And, of course, the child needs to save the money as planned. If squabbles ensue, the child can always move out. But if everyone gets along, these children eventually move out with a big pile of money in the bank. And that safety net makes it more likely they will never again have to move back in with you."

Money Matters: How we view the recession's impact depends on how old we are

As readers of this blog may know, I've got quite a collection here of studies done in Great Britain, Australia and other countries on how "the bank of mum and dad"  is faring in this economic downturn. Short answer: not well. To complement those reports, here's one from Pew on how our perspectives of the downturn and our financial well being are tempered or magnified by the age group we find ourselves in. Our grown kids, it turns out, are the most hopeful--time is on their side. But here's some of what Pew [Pew Research Center's Social & Demographic Trends] found about the rest of us.

Adults 65 and older--most of whom have already retired and downsized their lifestyles--have escaped the downturn's full fury. Adults in late middle age (50 to 64) have seen their nest eggs shrink the most and their anxieties about retirement swell the most. Younger adults (ages 18-49) have taken the worst lumps in the job market but remain relatively upbeat about their financial future.

Some details of interest:

Older adults are less likely to say the recession has been a source of stress in their family. Despite the recession, three-quarters say they expect to be able to leave an inheritance for their children--even though more than half of all older adults say the recession has reduced the amount of money or property they expect to bequeath.

Two-thirds of adults ages 50-64 say they lost money in the past year in mutual funds, individual stocks or 401(k)-type retirement accounts. Of those who report such losses, two-in-ten say they lost more than 40% of their investments' value and nearly four-in-ten say they lost 20% to 40%. By comparison, far fewer older adults or younger adults report losing money in stocks and retirement accounts in the past year.

Money Matters: Helping kids work their way through debt

In a follow up to Vanguard's posting on adult children and debt, the site let's us know what readers think. Some of the more insightful observations of matters financial are these:

BUYER BEWARE: "Some of you admitted to, or alluded to, confusion over the terms of student loans and the implications of those terms. “Read the fine print” was the phrase that struck me. (I was looking at a promissory note from Sallie Mae this week, and it’s not an easy document to get through.)"

CO-SIGNER BEWARE: "Interest deferral—and the eventual addition of deferred interest to a loan’s principal—was a shock to some of you. One parent who signed for a loan for her daughter experienced credit-score damage when the daughter defaulted on the loan for a few months. So, “caution” may be a great byword for all of us."

BACK TO BASICS: "Another reader got my attention with some advice I remember learning very early in my career: “Financial prudence comes from managing limited resources. You cannot learn to prioritize if you do not give up discretionary items for essentials.”

YOU, THE TEACHER: "A number of students said some well-timed advice on managing money and debt would have been very helpful. One former student related his college experience of accumulating $17,000 in student loans as well as credit card debt—and not having a clue how to pay it off. Many of you pointed out that the responsibility for teaching our children to handle choices (money and debt included) is ours, as parents. The bottom line: Everything may be possible—just not all at the same time."

Money Matters: An Aussie take on what we can afford to give our adult kids

The economic retrenchment is, as we know, global. We aren't the only families having to pull back financially, and that includes support for our grown children--be it paying off a college debt or helping with the down payment on a house. A report out of Australia mirrors what many here are experiencing.
Evidently, the hard times down under are silencing the peal of wedding bells. Here are some highlights from a report by the St George Bank:

Generation Y expects parents to help pay for weddings, house deposits and education fees, but concerns over retirement and debt have taken priority for most mums and dads.

70 per cent of baby boomers believe the global financial crisis has seen their assets shrink in value, and 71 per cent are now concerned about their financial health. As a result, only 6 per cent of parents rate providing financial assistance to their adult offspring as a top priority.

Almost half of those parents with adult children said they were focused on saving, either for retirement (25 per cent) or other future expenses (24 per cent).

Another 41 per cent favored paying off debt, either their credit card (24 per cent) or mortgage (17 per cent), the survey showed.

Bottom line: “Circumstances have changed for many and it’s understandable that parents are now having to focus on their own needs and financial health,"a general manager of the bank said. “As a result, when it comes to paying for things like weddings, first home deposits, overseas travel and childcare, many Gen Ys must now stand on their own two feet.”

Money Matters: Who should get your favorite chair?

Could there be a more boring term? Estate planning is somehow put-offish, in every sense of the word. And yet it's got to be done and it needs to be revisited from time to time. You may not be here when your last wishes are read aloud, but you can rest easy knowing you've taken care of not just the big things but the iconic treasures as well. Here's one interesting observation about that planning process from an expert in the field:

"Make the key decisions. Too often, estate owners say, "Leave it to the kids and let them decide." Non-decisions often lead to family strife, wasted assets, and a general estate planning disaster. Estate lawyers always are amazed at the things adult children and other heirs fight over. Long suppressed issues and conflicts come to the surface. Seemingly meaningless items can have great symbolic value to someone, or at least the person claims they do.

Personal property and iconic items such as the family residence or vacation home are the most likely to cause such problems."

Money Matters: Sharing the wealth--or at least your plans for the wealth.

You never know where some gem or germ of wisdom will come from. Here's a little sensible advice from a law firm's blog. Of course, the writer is selling estate planning, but still, the comments make sense even if you're not drawing up an official plan. First, there's the question of whether you should share your estate plan with your heirs--the grown kids or even the grandkids, if they're grown, too.

The lawyer-writer answers that point this way:

"If you have a significant estate to leave to your heirs—but you are still alive and well—to whom does that significant estate belong, you or them? This seem a silly question, of course the property belongs to you, but many adult children have come to count on the property their parents will leave them, and—rightly or wrongly—to feel a sense of ownership over it. As potential beneficiaries, do your heirs have the right to be informed ahead of time of your plans for your own estate?

David Cay Johnston, in his article Learning to Share, suggests that "although parents have no responsibility to inform their children of their plans, not talking to your kids about your estate plan is a surefire way to foster hurt feelings and inter-family fights once you've passed on.

Every family and situation will be different, and some parents will have good reasons for keeping their plans under wraps. But in many circumstances, whether your intention with your estate plan is to ease the way for your heirs or merely to ensure that your wishes are carried out to the letter, open communication with your children or potential heirs is the best way to support the accomplishment of those goals."

Money Matters: How to talk about money

They've got tips--100 of them--for discussing money, an always touchy topic when it comes to talking to your adult kids without making them feel like you are muddling in their financial life. They are Kathryn and Captain Frugal of the Money Saving Blog.

Here are some of the tips aimed at the adult children themselves (and that we, as their parents, should bear in mind):

39. Set clear boundaries. Decide on your own what you will and won’t discuss with your parents and financially and stick to those boundaries.

40. Respect your spouse and children. As you get older, your family priorities shift away from your role as a child and towards your role as a parent and spouse. When discussing finances with your own parents, respect the rights to financial privacy that your other family members have.

41. Rely on parents for financial help only as a last resort. After you’re on your own, you need to be responsible for your own finances. If you rely on parents for help, then they are going to feel that they have a right to tell you how to spend and save and you want to avoid that.

42. Don’t overreact. You don’t live in your parents’ house anymore so you don’t need to get all worked up about their opinions on your money. Just listen and let it go.

43. Find non-money things to discuss with your parents. Parents sometimes try to get us to talk about money because it gets us riled up. In a weird way, this makes them feel that they’re still closely involved in our lives. If we are close in other ways, this will be less of an issue

44. Use the “I” word. Parents still feel responsibility for your finances since you’re their child. They’ll feel less responsible if you talk about your own feelings and situation without blaming them.

45. Stop talking about the past. The financial past is over with so deal with it and move on.

Here are some tips for you, as the parent of grown and independent kids:

72. Do more listening and less talking. Your kids needed you for advice and financial guidance when they were young. Now they need to sort things out on their own with your sound financial ear as support.

73. Let your adult kids know that you’re willing to help them learn how to budget, save money and get into investing. Then wait until they say they are ready for your help. When they ask, be there to assist.

74. Invite them to attend financial classes and workshops with you.

75. Solicit your kids’ advice on technology as it applies to money. They probably know more than you in this area!

76. Admit your changing financial fears. As your kids become adults, they are ready to hear the reality of your fears about money as you get older. Admit this and find a proactive way to eliminate those fears together.

77. Consider their finances when planning family things. You may want your kids home for Christmas but if this puts a financial burden on them then it creates a lot of stress. Discuss the issue openly to resolve the financial aspect of these things.

78. Put your financial affairs in order. This will help when dealing with money as you get into your older years.

Empty Nest Redux: When the kids come marching home again

This just in from Great Britain. A survey by Selftrade of 2,000 Brits on fallout from the current economic downturn finds that "50% of British adults have been forced to make a ‘Plan B’ in the last year, as their lives have taken a surprise turn in a different direction. In 87% of these cases, a life change drove a major shift in financial outlook and habits."

While the survey identified "the need for people to empower themselves by taking control of their finances to secure against financial difficulties should a lifestyle U-turn be necessary," what was of interest to me--and presumably, readers of this blog--is the finding on how parents of adult children were reacting. Here's the excerpt on that point:

"The Forever parents
An emerging social trend in “Recession Britain” is the growth of the multi-generation home. Parents who experienced the surprise return of their adult children back home went through a number of sudden financial shifts. Suddenly devoid of their independence they were the group least likely to put themselves first (14%) or to be selfish when planning financial goals (15%). They were also the group most relaxed about taking on more debt (12%) and were least bothered about boosting their savings (10%) or investments (17%) - probably because they had little left over that they could put away."

Money Matters: What if the kids are over their heads in debt?

It's one thing to struggle with your own fiscal problems--retirement looming, nest egg shrinking. But it's even worse to watch your kids fall into debt. What do you do about that?
That's a question raised in a recent Washington Post column, which advises parents of grown children NOT to denude their own assets in an effort to save their children. Certainly, putting ourselves in a position where we are no longer self-supporting is dangerous. But sharing some of our assets with a child who runs into fiscal trouble can be the right thing to do--depending on the situation. As I see it, the help line can be drawn between a child's bad judgment and misjudgment.
Here' are highlights from the column: 

Don't jeopardize your own finances in order to help your child, particularly if you’re nearing retirement age and have a fixed number of years to build up/resuscitate your savings plan. Borrowing from your 401(k) (if there’s anything left in there) or tapping a home equity line of credit to help pay off your kid’s debt isn’t a great idea.

Don't be afraid to pass judgment on your child’s debt. You’ve weighed in on everything from the cleanliness of their rooms to their Friday night date, so why should debt be any different? You may decide to treat student loans or health-care costs as worthy causes while credit card debt from that new flat panel TV is not. The last thing you want to do is enable them to continue what could be a vicious cycle of spending.

Treat a loan to your adult children as a full-fledged loan, complete with interest. (If that makes you feel guilty, you could always return the interest to them after the final payment as a surprise.) As with any loan, write down the terms of repayment and decide what the penalties should be for late or missed payments.

Returning to the Nest: Do you still have to wash their socks?

They're moving home again. Sixty percent of young adults move back home--staying for no one knows how long.  The rules of the house that worked so well when they were youngsters don't quite apply now. So how do you work things out? Do you ask them to pay rent, lay down cleaning and cooking rules? Do you still wash their socks?

I found some pointers recently on how to manage the move-back so that everyone remains on speaking and civil-living terms. The advice sheet notes that happy “re-filled" families tend to have several things in common. Here they are in brief:

Set limits: Talk about how long the live-in arrangement will be: three weeks, three months, a year? And define mutual expectations for house rules and responsibilities.

Set Goals: Talk frankly about the reasons, financial or otherwise, behind this new living arrangement, and lay plans for the transition back to independence.

Discuss Rent: Some families start at one rate. Then, as an incentive for their child to move out, they raise the monthly rent a predetermined amount as the months tick by. Others charge rent, but set the money aside and present it as a nest egg when their child is ready to move on.

Set Chores: Whether it’s in lieu of rent or in addition, include household chores--making dinner twice a week, for example, buying groceries, doing laundry or yard work.

Discuss Guests and Booze: It's unrealistic to set curfews for a fully-grown, independent adult, but you can discuss and agree on a set of household rules, particularly on hot-button issues such as late night or overnight guests, relationships, and alcohol or other substance issues.

Make a Contract: Whatever the plan, whether it’s rent, chores or household rules, spell it out beforehand and put it in writing.