Parenting Grown Children: What Dr. Spock Forgot to Tell Us

Share the Wealth: To help our children now or to leave a legacy later?

Paterfamilias and I have been incredibly lucky. We've had good jobs and rewarding careers--to the point where we have been able to set aside enough padding for our retirement--and a little bit more. It's that "little bit more" than wiggles and jiggles inside my brain and bank account.

If we have "a little bit more," why not share it with our grown children in the here and now? Not to spoil them but to step in when there's a crisis or a need. And to let hem know in advance that should they need help, we've got their back. If we can afford it. We see nothing wrong in that. But recently, I've been doing some research on the question and that has raised some doubts about how good a practice this is.

One book by a psychologist suggests that to keep on offering money both spoils grown children and infantilizes them. It's a way to control the kids by keeping the apron strings tied to money. He suggests we who offer cash are suffering from affluenza, that our financial parenting has run amok.

I took all that to heart, but then i read an online story that interviewed several psychologists who all tsk-tasked the idea of helping kids out with money. When questioned about their own personal practices, however, all admitted to being guilty of helping out or indulging their grown children.

is this a case where common sense and best psychiatric advice differ?

And does it all come down to what we're comfortable with, what makes sense for our particular children and their behavior. If they aren't dependent and don't make constant demands and suggest they expect your help indefinitely, then why not help out on an as-needed basis? Isn't this a case of no harm no foul?

Money Matters: Letting Your Kids Know What Their Legacy Will Be

Heartache and heartburn lie ahead for grown kids whose parent's don't let them know how they plan to disburse their assets. That's what the estate-planning experts say and they may not be exaggerating.  Of course, right or wrong, you won't be there to see it. But still.

The misunderstandings that can arise range from hurt feelings over who the executor of the will is to why one sibling was chosen to inherit the house and another got the jewelry--when the kids would have preferred it the other way around.

Yes, it's time to have a conversation with your grown children about your estate plan. Not necessarily how much you'll be leaving them but why you're doing what. One set of parents with a financially successful son and a do-good-works but much poorer daughter, sat their son down to explain why the daughter would inherit more of their money than he would. Having the information come directly from mom and dad and the reason behind it meant a lot to the son, who said he might have felt that somehow he had disappointed his parents--rather than that they felt so good about his success that they didn't feel he needed further backing. He also felt that if had disagreed with their reasoning he would have had a chance to argue against it. And he was able to tell them what items of theirs had sentimental value for him.

Such a nice story. And you're probably saying, as I am, I'm going to do it, I'm going to have a conversation with my kids about my estate--however big or small that estate may be. Besides, sentimental value can't be overestimated. And yet we don't do it. I haven't done it yet. Is it the confrontation with mortality? The discomfort of talking about money? Of appearing to play favorites? Of re-stoking sibling rivalries?

Time to come to terms with those emotions. If you need a little rational support, this New York Times story may be just the ticket. 

Money Matters: Staying on the job to help the kids out

One friend is paying for her daughter's attempt to start a family through a surrogate pregnancy. The tab is high--$100,000 when all is said and done. Her husband is semi-retired and her daughter and son-in-law could never afford the tab. So she's continuing to work--"to pay the bill." At least, that what she says--that if she weren't paying for the surrogate's pregnancy and all the testing and medical procedures that were part of the pregnancy, she would retire--or work part time.

Another friend is also not retiring. Her son has a prestigious job--but the salary is not nearly as high as the job's profile. Maybe someday he can cash in on all that prestige. Meanwhile, the parents want to be sure there's the wherewithal to help out--when the son's roof needs repair, the basement floods, the grandkids' dental bills mount--without eating up their retirement savings. So they, too, are continuing to work--despite tempting thoughts of retiring to travel around the world.

Lots of us are doing the same thing--putting off retirement in order to have the cash to make life easier, better, more bearable for our children. Some of us are kidding ourselves that this is why we continue to work. A lot of us like working--like our jobs and the second family that work provides--or fear the loss of vitality that might come with retiring from the work force. We don't want to give it up, even if we are dog-tired weary by the end of the work week. While some of us continue to work "for our children," many times it's more of a mixed reason. What makes me nervous is any hint to the adult children that they are the reason we're still working. What a guilt trip that would lay down. And it might not even be true.

Money Matters: Putting money aside to help the grown kids and their kids

This recession is hard on everyone--more so on those it affects directly: those with the lost job or the diminished 401k. But that hasn't stopped many of us from using what we've got to help those we love. A  study out of Britain may reflect what's happening here as well.

Here are the basics of the report:

13 percent of British grandparents are filling up savings accounts with money for their grandchildren to inherit:. A fifth of this group are saving upwards of £400 every year, which will turn into a £10,000 nest egg when the children turn 18. Additionally, a tenth of these over-50s are putting money into savings accounts to help their adult children through the recession.

The study is in sharp contrast to a report released earlier that revealed that six in 10 over-50s are concerned that their pensions and savings will be insufficient to look after them in retirement.

Meanwhile, back here in the U.S.A., a friend tells me what she's doing to assure that her 33-year-old daughter--unmarried and still struggling with job losses in this economy--will have savings in the bank on her far-in-the-future retirement day. She's has set up a Roth IRA in her daughter's name and is funding it for her--for now. More on this interesting idea in a future post.

Your Money and Your Kids: Are they counting on a legacy?

At dinner with friends, paterfamilias mentions that his children--that's our grown children and their spouses--have told us, 'Spend your money; travel and enjoy yourselves; don't save it for us.'  In a way, he's bragging just a little bit. He's saying, in effect, his kids are doing well and don't need our help.

Our friends--she's a "new" friend, having just moved in with him, who's an "old" friend--laughs and says that's not what her children are saying. They're telling her: "Save some money for us. Our father [her former husband] is spending it all on his new wife."

We all chuckle over that. But neither of these dialogs deals with the real world--at least the real world I'm experiencing. Yes, I'm going to enjoy some of the money we've earned over the years, but yes, I'm also going to save something to leave for my children and grandchildren. Or, if I don't leave it, it will because they've already gotten it: either I've lent it or spent it--to or on them.  But even with that lend-or-spend attitude, I hope there's a small legacy for them [if old-age medical needs don't get in the way; how enjoyable a spend would that be?]--something to help the Grands through college or for my children to do something they've always wanted to do or just something to haveif there's an unanticipated need.

And I think that's what our friend's children are, in effect, saying. "We want to know a safety net will be there if we need help with some major expenses." Ours aren't articulating it because they still have the safety and stability of our Being Together as the same old us. We're not jetting off to a second youth or off on some other kind of spree. They can afford to say they don't care about a legacy, but it's not because they may not need it. That's a pretty comforting feeling for us--and maybe what paterfamilias was getting at by raising the subject at dinner with friends.

Money Matters: Who should get your favorite chair?

Could there be a more boring term? Estate planning is somehow put-offish, in every sense of the word. And yet it's got to be done and it needs to be revisited from time to time. You may not be here when your last wishes are read aloud, but you can rest easy knowing you've taken care of not just the big things but the iconic treasures as well. Here's one interesting observation about that planning process from an expert in the field:

"Make the key decisions. Too often, estate owners say, "Leave it to the kids and let them decide." Non-decisions often lead to family strife, wasted assets, and a general estate planning disaster. Estate lawyers always are amazed at the things adult children and other heirs fight over. Long suppressed issues and conflicts come to the surface. Seemingly meaningless items can have great symbolic value to someone, or at least the person claims they do.

Personal property and iconic items such as the family residence or vacation home are the most likely to cause such problems."

Money Matters: Sharing the wealth--or at least your plans for the wealth.

You never know where some gem or germ of wisdom will come from. Here's a little sensible advice from a law firm's blog. Of course, the writer is selling estate planning, but still, the comments make sense even if you're not drawing up an official plan. First, there's the question of whether you should share your estate plan with your heirs--the grown kids or even the grandkids, if they're grown, too.

The lawyer-writer answers that point this way:

"If you have a significant estate to leave to your heirs—but you are still alive and well—to whom does that significant estate belong, you or them? This seem a silly question, of course the property belongs to you, but many adult children have come to count on the property their parents will leave them, and—rightly or wrongly—to feel a sense of ownership over it. As potential beneficiaries, do your heirs have the right to be informed ahead of time of your plans for your own estate?

David Cay Johnston, in his article Learning to Share, suggests that "although parents have no responsibility to inform their children of their plans, not talking to your kids about your estate plan is a surefire way to foster hurt feelings and inter-family fights once you've passed on.

Every family and situation will be different, and some parents will have good reasons for keeping their plans under wraps. But in many circumstances, whether your intention with your estate plan is to ease the way for your heirs or merely to ensure that your wishes are carried out to the letter, open communication with your children or potential heirs is the best way to support the accomplishment of those goals."

Money Matters: How to talk about money

They've got tips--100 of them--for discussing money, an always touchy topic when it comes to talking to your adult kids without making them feel like you are muddling in their financial life. They are Kathryn and Captain Frugal of the Money Saving Blog.

Here are some of the tips aimed at the adult children themselves (and that we, as their parents, should bear in mind):

39. Set clear boundaries. Decide on your own what you will and won’t discuss with your parents and financially and stick to those boundaries.

40. Respect your spouse and children. As you get older, your family priorities shift away from your role as a child and towards your role as a parent and spouse. When discussing finances with your own parents, respect the rights to financial privacy that your other family members have.

41. Rely on parents for financial help only as a last resort. After you’re on your own, you need to be responsible for your own finances. If you rely on parents for help, then they are going to feel that they have a right to tell you how to spend and save and you want to avoid that.

42. Don’t overreact. You don’t live in your parents’ house anymore so you don’t need to get all worked up about their opinions on your money. Just listen and let it go.

43. Find non-money things to discuss with your parents. Parents sometimes try to get us to talk about money because it gets us riled up. In a weird way, this makes them feel that they’re still closely involved in our lives. If we are close in other ways, this will be less of an issue

44. Use the “I” word. Parents still feel responsibility for your finances since you’re their child. They’ll feel less responsible if you talk about your own feelings and situation without blaming them.

45. Stop talking about the past. The financial past is over with so deal with it and move on.

Here are some tips for you, as the parent of grown and independent kids:

72. Do more listening and less talking. Your kids needed you for advice and financial guidance when they were young. Now they need to sort things out on their own with your sound financial ear as support.

73. Let your adult kids know that you’re willing to help them learn how to budget, save money and get into investing. Then wait until they say they are ready for your help. When they ask, be there to assist.

74. Invite them to attend financial classes and workshops with you.

75. Solicit your kids’ advice on technology as it applies to money. They probably know more than you in this area!

76. Admit your changing financial fears. As your kids become adults, they are ready to hear the reality of your fears about money as you get older. Admit this and find a proactive way to eliminate those fears together.

77. Consider their finances when planning family things. You may want your kids home for Christmas but if this puts a financial burden on them then it creates a lot of stress. Discuss the issue openly to resolve the financial aspect of these things.

78. Put your financial affairs in order. This will help when dealing with money as you get into your older years.

Money Matters: Generic guidelines for those fiscal apron strings

The 401k is melting; retirement seems further away than ever. And then there are the needs of our not-quite-independent adult children. They've got their college debts, the difficulty in finding a job in this economy. They may move back home--as an affordability measure. And, of course, all those hurts hurt us. We want to help. We want to open our wallets and ease the way.

But sometimes we shouldn't. Or can't. For those debating whether to help or not, there's this tip from an expert on young adults:

Don't coddle them. Gifts of money, time, and assistance should be reserved for times of need or special achievement; otherwise, young adults fail to develop self-reliance skills that will help them navigate life's choppy waters. Then, when parental support dries up, they become frustrated failures. Give help when it's critical but don't overdo it.

Money Matters: Hard Hit and Hating It

Many of us who have grown children have been hit hard financially by the economic crisis. Money we thought we'd have to live comfortably on and still help out our adult children is gone. Is that changing our relationship with our adult children? Some of us may be worried about becoming dependent on them, or that they'll be dependent on us and we won't have the wherewithal to help.Or we jsut feel so bad about what's happening that we take it out on the grown kids, as one financial adviser noted recently.

Friends who used their second homes as vacation retreats for their children are having to sell those homes. May not sound like the worst crisis in the world, but it means the loss of a family gathering place and a familiar setting--one that may date back to their children's childhood--for their grandchildren to spend idle weeks of summer.

Friends who had planned to help their children buy a home are finding they don't have the cash to help out with the down payment. Or to pay off college loads. Again, it may not sound like a terrible crisis, but the loss of power--of still being the Big Daddy or Momma--are palpable. So many of us want to make life easier for our children, and this fiscal crisis is playing havoc with that plan. Maybe this is healthy--maybe some of us coddled our children. But a lot of us didn't. We just took great enjoyment from using the money we'd earned and saved over a lifetime to make our children's lives easier. And for many of us, that ability is gone.

How are you coping with fiscal losses? Is it affecting your relationship with your grown children? Or your own feelings about yourself vis a vis those children?